I F-ing Love Science Facebook Run By A Girl, Stupid People Respond With Their Outside Voice

Last week, Elise Andrew, who runs the I F*cking Love Science Facebook page that has 4.3 million fans, posted a link to her newly created Twitter account, which included a photo of her.

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Cut to a bajillion people using their keyboards before their smarts, going berserk over the fact that the page was run by a girl. Let’s take a look at some of the super fun comments this post got!

But-wait-wait

WAIT. STOP EVERYTHING FOR ME SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS IMPOSSIBLE PARADOX OF GIRL + SCIENCE

 

all-that-time-picturing-a-man

…How much time DO you spend picturing the people behind Facebook pages?

 

dude-youre-a-chick

Bro, can you put this info into a meme so I can understand it gooder?

 

YOURE-A-GIRL

See, he said nice things, so it’s okay for him to be surprised that girls can have smart too.

 

XD

XD indeed, sir. XD indeed.

Then there were the surprised comments that thought they were being nice by commenting on Elise’s looks, because girls don’t have to ask to be judged on their looks, it’s just a given that everyone gets to do it! Yeah! It’s not look-ism if you’re being nice about it, right? As Andrew said to Yahoo!, “I’ve had people tell me I should be happy about all the comments on my looks because so many are complimentary—they can’t seem to grasp why it might make me feel uncomfortable to read thousands of comments all discussing my appearance.”

 

And-youre-cute

cute

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02-pretty-girl

Ugly girls who love science, move along.

 

Then there’s this one:

lesbian

Instead of the JK, maybe just hit delete until your browser dies.

 

This I don’t even know what to do with, especially because there were several comments like it:

heels

May RuPaul have mercy on your soul.

 

This person is getting a high five for snark:

white-person

 Then there’s this convo, which I’ll let you make up your mind whether it’s serious or not, though it’s weak as hell for a joke:

dumbest convo ever

I’m sorry to have to be the one to tell you this sir, but you have tested positive for stupid. Let’s discuss treatment options.

You guys. YOU GUYS. All she did was get a Twitter account. How is it even a thing that she’s a girl? This is why there aren’t more women in math and science fields — because asshats like this still think that gender makes a difference. This mentality goes all the way from how lab partners treat each other in middle school to who hires whom well into adulthood. It’s ignorant, it’s sexist, and it’s preventing science from progressing through great minds who aren’t being given a chance.

Funny how all these people f*cking love science, and yet don’t know that both penis and vagina people have the same brains in their heads.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=723231157 Florence Van Dam Raggio

    I thought the page was run by many people, some guys and some girls. I actually thought these comments were hilarious (except the last one…). No need to burn our bras over this.

    • http://www.juliagazdag.com Julia Gazdag

      If you mean “burn our bras” figuratively, then I’m guessing some ladies who deal with this bullshit in their fields of work in science won’t take too kindly to their frustrations being diminished. However, if you mean “burn our bras” literally, then no, we should not do that, because it is completely unrelated to this issue and also then my boobs would hurt all day.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=510220278 Adam Aedro Drotar

        I would like to know your credentials on exactly what bullshit women deal with in science? All the women I know that work in labs love it and are treated equally and I hardly think that a breakfast taco enthusiast is qualified to deliberate on the matter.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=22900721 Eva Agnes

          Wow, really?! Every single woman you know who works in the male-dominated fields of math and science have encountered ZERO discrimination and/or sexual harassment and/or intimidation in their entire careers?! Sorry bro, but I don’t believe you. Even my math teacher friends encounter the very regular “You’re a pretty girl, you must teach English or something! Huh? You teach MATH?!” Come out from under your rock. …Or don’t, whichever.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=6709915 John Rudd

            I’ve heard lots of horror stories from women in the sciences. Even just at grad school where they were either constantly marginalized as “not as serious/smart/hard-core in their field” or “must be lonely and thus willing to date anyone who asks them out … or a completely frigid bitch/lesbian if they say no”. I don’t discount the rage at all. I just think the article could have been better by suggesting more constructive ways to respond to the larger situation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1437860360 Lisa Polley

    I am a fan of that page… Who ran it has never even been a fleeting thought.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=608497449 Alanine Rhenylalanine

    I found it fascinating how many people were shocked and in awe. Does make a cultural statement how we view science and technology in the ‘voice of men’. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000447818496 Raymond Kemp

    I love this page and I always look forward to seeing new stuff. I never once thought that it was a man or woman, I always thought it was just someone who loves science. I am also not ignorant either, we shouldn’t even be talking about this, does anyone one of these a-holes know how many women scientist or science geeks are here in this world I mean come on!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=8327016 Veronica Garcia

    I am a graduate student currently completing a Ph.D. in Microbiology and Molecular Genetics. I am tired of having to discuss with other scientists that there is still a prejudice against women in science. Although female students are the majority in my department, female professors are still a minority by far. Also because I am the biological sciences there are more women here than in some of the more mathematics based sciences.
    Thank you for your article. Thank you for letting people know that these ideas are ridiculous. I hope we all teach our daughters, sisters, and nieces and fellow women about the importance of having a populace with a general understanding and appreciation for science. Only then will more women join careers in Science, Technology, Engineering and Math.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=14102782 Caroline Jeffery

    sure, i’ll offer a discreet girl power high five or fist bump for the fact that she happens to be a girl, but the big public raucous high five goes to the fact that she created and shared something in her life that she cares about, and people responded enthusiastically. that’s the success story. not that she achieved that success despite being a girl.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=14102782 Caroline Jeffery

      p.s. LOVE LOVE LOVE the thumbnail.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=520820597 Adam Krongold

    I’m a fan, a huge fan. Had i though about who ran it? I don’t know. Does it change how i feel about it? Well…I still F*cking love science… I’m also a big fan of this author. Who, i knew, by name was female.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1122102785 Chelsey Sue Nickerson

    Never once did it cross my mind whether it was ran by a he or a she.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=788060376 Danielle Green

      Same here. It was a hilarious, intelligent, and genderless page; I didn’t really think about the WHO behind it, just liked the ideas/humor.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=662608416 Michelle Deco

      Same. Didn’t care who ran it, just enjoyed the posts for their humor and insight. Kinda wish people didn’t get all batshit crazy about a girl running the page – I mean, does it really matter?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1245968658 Frances Kieselbach

    I liked the page before ran by male or female. I do think its awesome that is ran by a woman and hope that all these boys learn that women are just as smart, if not smarter then them in some cases.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=685790800 Jennifer Stewart

    Seriously? I always knew the writer was a girl which is just one of the other reasons I loved her page so much. You could just tell. Her posts are thought provoking, I learn something new every day, and comments on what she posts are hilarious. You go girl.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503151710 Katy Littlejohn

    Asshats. Awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1657350462 Kristen Kanes

    Very few of these comments were actually offensive. I think this phenomenon is interesting in it’s ability to illustrate how our upbringings surrounding gender norms still have us picturing people associated with certain professions as male vs female (The same phenomenon in reverse is typically observed if you’re talking about a teacher who’s gender isn’t specified – most people will picture that teacher as female), but I don’t think it’s any reason to be upset at these people who are suddenly realizing that the gender norms ingrained in them by society are not correct in this case.

    • http://www.juliagazdag.com Julia Gazdag

      Does a person have to be outright offensive (lewd, crude, or violent language) for someone to take issue with them? And why isn’t this kind of condescension not offensive? You don’t have to take to the streets with torches but that doesn’t mean nod and smile and carry on as if all was well.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=502504853 Jenine Ampudia

        I totally agree with you, Julia. “benevolent” sexism is still sexism.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1629880826 Shane Mabrey

        In a society that was founded on free speech, yes, you do have to be vulgar or offensive to take issue, otherwise it’s just an opinion, and we all know what those are like. The PCedness of the world is getting ridiculous and this article is more evidence of that.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=22900721 Eva Agnes

          Our society is not that much more “politically correct” than it was in the past, outside of thankfully removing offensive racial slurs and generalizations from daily language. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT. What HAS changed is access to the internet and the fact that people have stopped filtering themselves, posting all of their ignorance all over Facebook, Twitter, etc. Don’t whine about having to be PC when all it requires is to act the way a decent human being would act instead of just letting loose all of your stupidity all over the internet.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004472024205 Dee Writeful

          Society was absolutely NOT founded on free speech. So that’s kind of a moot point. Shane, when women get offended about the casual (and not so casual) sexism that is heaped on us every day, do you understand that it is slightly frustrating for us, and rude of you, to dismiss our concerns as being ‘ridiculous PCedness’?

          I mean, as a man, you understand that you cannot have experience of this, right? You understand that as a person with NO experience of something, it is a little dickish to dismiss the actual experiences of other people, or their opinions about those experiences, right? Right?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=63104849 Jennifer Lynn Broome

            “You understand that as a person with NO experience of something, it is a little dickish to dismiss the actual experiences of other people,”

            Glass house + stones = your argument is invalid. You are assuming that he has never been prejudiced against. Women, sweetie, are not the only ones who feel the burden of prejudice.

            One of the massive founding principles of AMERICAN society was, in fact, free speech. It’s right up there with freedom of religion and the segregation of church and state. Don’t believe me? Try actually reading our Constitution sometime. That is, of course, if Washington D.C. hasn’t used all the available copies as toilet paper.

            In order for us to demand equal treatment, we have to take a step back, take a deep breath, and simply expect to be treated like PEOPLE. Not be given special consideration because of our sex. When you say, “I am and I deserve-[snip]”, I immediately slam on the breaks mentally. No, you do not deserve anything because of your “minority” status. People need to see themselves less in terms of a terminology and more in terms of being a person. Treat yourself equally, and maybe the rest of the world will notice a difference, too.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000482450174 Sarah Bordeau-Rigterink

      It is the willingness to view massive amounts of comments like these that further perpetuates rape culture. It’s not rape that causes rape culture, it’s allowing dehumanizing comments to become blasé to be used on an every day basis

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=746013759 Sasha Sirozh

    I love IFLS, it is a magical place, with strange creatures and awkward humour. I salute Elise for founding such an awesome page.
    It’s actually hilarious how so many people are so outrageously surprised that she’s a girl- it really isn’t that magical. Girl scientists exit! We’re out there people!

    (Pssssst…I always secretly knew she was a girl. Would have been surprised to find out that it was a guy.)

  • http://idontlikeyourcat.tumblr.com/ Melanie Schmitz

    Ha! And they say sexism is dead.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=788060376 Danielle Green

    There is such a thing as humor sans sexist douchebaggery. I’m not sure if this selection of comments represents the subject material of all the comments as a whole, but no one had anything thoughtful or meaningful to say. Do some of these guys think they’ll suddenly land this woman because they say she’s cute? Did anybody ACTUALLY give her any advice about which sciencey people to follow, as she asked? I think the point that Julia is trying to make (and does) is that gender should not play into our opinion of IFLS (or anything). It should not suddenly become that much better because she’s an attractive woman who fucking LOVES science, nor should it become that much worse. Elise’s gender and her passion are mutually exclusive. If she happened to be an die hard creationist, THEN we might have some cause for surprise.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1629880826 Shane Mabrey

      How can something as fundamental as gender not play a role in how you make sense of the world?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002004676983 Jessica Brantowden

        The same way your hair color has nothing to do with your position on Civil Rights..

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=788060376 Danielle Green

        Shane, I think Jessica answers your question effectively enough…Perhaps you mean “sex” and not “gender” is fundamental? Gender is a social construct whereas sex is a biological fact, and I of course know and understand that there are biological differences between men and women. Now, because we obviously do not agree about gender, let’s table sexism and “lookism” for now. Instead, let’s consider this from the perspective of human beings with a sense of common decency and respect. When Elise posted the news about her new Twitter account, she asked for one thing: for people on Twitter to tweet her some science people she can follow. Largely disregarding this one request, a significant amount of people instead chose to comment on her gender and her looks. If Elise had posted, “Hey, I got a Twitter account; bet you didn’t know I was a girl…and a super cute one at that!” then the comments featured in this article on her gender and looks would have been relevant and inoffensive (though this still does not justify the lesbian comment). But no—she didn’t. Elise merely broadcasted the information with a basic question about who to follow. Moreover, she was made significantly uncomfortable by the comments her post elicited. Julia quotes Elise in her article, so you should not have been unaware of this: “As Andrew said to Yahoo!, ‘I’ve had people tell me I should be happy about all the comments on my looks because so many are complimentary—they can’t seem to grasp why it might make me feel uncomfortable to read thousands of comments all discussing my appearance.’” Can’t you at least appreciate and respect the fact that a human being was upset by what she herself terms sexist remarks on her Twitter? Or are her feelings irrelevant? If you think they are, then you could perhaps benefit from reading this article about what this (male) author terms gaslighting. Though I think both males and females are guilty of gaslighting, this author specifically focus on male to female gaslighting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=709716649 Cate Foradori

    Fantastic and enlightening article, my favorite in the article was the all-caps remark of: “WAIT. STOP EVERYTHING FOR ME SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS IMPOSSIBLE PARADOX OF GIRL + SCIENCE”. I have to say your response to one of the comments below was probably the best part. “You don’t have to take to the streets with torches but that doesn’t mean nod and smile and carry on as if all was well.” As a woman I feel constantly undermined in most social circles. I have been repeatedly disrespected for choosing education over a family. I have a choice just like everyone else and I never undermine people’s choice of family over education. Keep writing and being awesome!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1112611120 Lisa Marie

    Erm…how did anyone not know it was a woman behind that? I thought it was obvious from the get go. Not to mention, she’s used her name in several posts. Smh…so glad we’re such an observant culture.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=514997148 Veronica Lopez

    I dont think the people who made all those comments meant to be hateful, but everyone revealed their pre-concieved notions. I think the important thing is that people become conscious of the way they think so they can get it under control and fight the way society teaches them to think, which is often mistaken. Its not just about gender, either. If the creator of the page had been a black muslim of either sex, people would have commented about that aswell. We live in a society where we are told that the normal thing to be is a white man, and everything else is “alternative”. Everyone has to re-educate themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000692598253 Kris Sceagan

    IFLS has a large fanbase who are not very bright and not altogether interested in science.

    Well, no shit, I made the same point months ago.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=622071460 David Pinto

    well edited selection and complemented well with you comments :)

    sadly let down with the final statement — our brains-bodies are different….

    btw do you know about the girl who does amazing math videos eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK5Z709J2eo

    • http://www.juliagazdag.com Julia Gazdag

      The same intellectual capacity. Yeesh.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1629880826 Shane Mabrey

        But you are wrong, yeesh. Ever hear of predisposition?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=22900721 Eva Agnes

          You’re trying to claim that all male-bodied people are predisposed to be better at math and science? No, stop.

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